Do Fifth Albums Usually Suck?

5 I just finished reading an excellent autobiography by Dean Wareham, ex-leader of Galaxie 500 and Luna.  The book is almost as good as the one written by Mark Everett of the Eels.  Almost, but not quite.

In any case, Wareham mentions something near the end I’d like to explore a little deeper.  Here’s what he wrote:

We made an album called The Days of Our Nights.  Our fifth studio album, it is possibly the worst of the seven that Luna made.  If you study rock-and-roll bands, I think that the fifth album generally tends to suck.  Maybe they all hate one another by this point.  Maybe they need new ideas.  Maybe they’re trying new ideas.  Whatever the reason, the fifth album is difficult.

Is that true?  I’d never considered such a thing.  Pretty interesting.

So, without cheating and putting advance thought into it, I’m going to just pull a few legendary bands out of my crapshaft, and test the theory.  Want to play along?

Wareham goes on to say the Beatles are an exception.  In fact, he claims, they sucked until their fifth album.  So, I’ll leave them out of our little experiment…

Let’s get started, shall we?

The Clash, Combat Rock Definitely not my favorite, but not as bad as their previous album, Sandinista! Does it suck?  No, it does not.  But it’s teetering.

REM, Document A great album.  Their next two were kinda weak, but this is about fifth albums, isn’t it?

The Replacements, Pleased to Meet Me Ha!  One of the best albums ever released, on Earth anyway.  My favorite record by one of my favorite bands.

Van Halen, Diver Down Half the songs are covers, and the whole thing clocks in at just 30 minutes.  Certainly not their finest (half) hour, but still a lot of fun.  I’d have a hard time using the word “sucks.”

The Police, Synchronicity Their final release, I don’t think the Police had any bad albums.  And this one is pretty darn solid.

Led Zeppelin, Houses of the Holy This is the album I reach for, on the rare occasion I’m craving some Zeppelin.  So, I guess that makes it my favorite, huh?

I know this isn’t much of a sample size.  But we can continue our important study in the comments, if you’d like.  Test your favorite band against Dean Wareham’s “Fifth Albums Suck” theory.

And to be fair, he starts the paragraph by saying sucks, and ends it with the more nuanced difficult.  And if you look at my list of bands above, most were indeed in the middle of some sort of upheaval at the time their fifth albums were released.

The Clash and Police broke up immediately afterward, the Replacements had just fired their iconic lead guitarist, REM was about to leave their longtime label, and that Van Halen album displays evidence of creative arrest.

So, maybe Wareham is on to something, after all?  What do you think?  Tell us about it in the comments.

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8 Responses to “Do Fifth Albums Usually Suck?”

  1. A quick hit of some singers/bands not covered by you:

    Bruce Springsteen: The River. A good album. His suck album didn’t arrive until Born In The USA

    Bob Dylan: Bringing It All Back Home. Dylan did do a few suck albums, but this isn’t one of them.

    Wilco: a ghost is born. Some people were put off by the “noises” on this album, but I’ll stand by it. To date, this band hasn’t put out a suck album.

    X: Ain’t Love Grand. Bingo.

  2. I almost thought I had you.
    But that was when I thought
    5150 might have been Van Halen’s 5th

    Turns out it was Diver Down
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diver_Down

    Point made Jeff Kay.
    5150 was 7th

  3. Drive by truckers tried to suck at number 5, and succeeded at #6.

    Phish, hoist, yup.

    In the 90’s I had a theory that the 7th song on any album was generally the best. I haven’t tested that recently.

  4. Willie Williams on January 6th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    The Beatles – Help. 41 weeks on the charts.

    The Who – Who’s Next. Next!

    The Allman Brothers Band – Brothers and Sisters. A classic.

    Queen – Day at the Races. How can you go wrong with a song called Tie your Mother Down?

    Peter Gabriel – So. Sledgehammer, Red Rain, In Your Eyes, Big Time, hell, the videos alone unsuck this one.

    There are five no suck number fives.

  5. Diver Down is Van Halens best album as far as I’m concerned

  6. I submit that the Doors’ fifth album, Morrison Hotel, did not suck.

  7. Woody U. T. Baggmea on March 26th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Just wanted to take slight issue with you for characterizing Sandinista! as the Clash’s fifth album, when it was actually only their fourth proper album (Black Market Clash being a collection of b-sides).

    However, I wanted to take *major* issue with your characterizing it as an album that “sucks”. The album is a damned classic, years ahead of its time, and I have to call into question the musical taste of anyone who thinks it outright sucks.

    So, there.

    And nyaah.

  8. I listed Combat Rock as the Clash’s fifth album, not Sandinista. And we’ll have to disagree about the qualities of Sandinista. I think it’s a sprawling mess, with no focus and more experiments than actual songs. Combat Rock was a little better, but not all that great either.

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